tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post1436603752844216220..comments2024-03-05T10:47:39.661-06:00Comments on Thoughts on Technology: Raspberry Pi vs MK802Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-38607907222615353452013-03-01T10:18:39.676-06:002013-03-01T10:18:39.676-06:00Anonymous, you're babbling biased nonsense! If...Anonymous, you're babbling biased nonsense! If you want to be pedantic Android IS Linux with a proprietary Java-based window/desktop manager on top of it. Given root you can drop down to a shell and do all the Linux-y stuff your nerdy heart desires, including compiling with the full gcc tool chain, running ftp/smb/your-custom-protocol servers, etc.<br /><br />More to the point of the OP though, despite the RPi being meant as a learning/hacking tool, I dare say that the number of websites and blogs detailing how to load XBMC or other media servers on it, shoehorn in various remote control systems, and velcro/ziptie/superglue it to various sides of TVs or entertainment furniture greatly outnumber the sites telling you how to use its GPIO pins. IOW, it may have been meant as one thing but its overwhelming use in the nerd community is as a cheap media player. Besides, if hacking it what you want and you have an actual hardware application in mind one of the myriad atmega boards available will do it more cheaply and with more gpio pins and in a smaller form factor. Let's face it, while nerds like to think they're a breed apart in intelligence and imagination most of them are really just one rung up from a plebian consumer and are cheap to boot :D<br /><br />So Jeff's comparison was entirely valid and can only be faulted for not having been updated with the latest hardware and XMBC build info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-76308288804687267232013-01-12T05:30:03.828-06:002013-01-12T05:30:03.828-06:00Jeff, I don't think you're completely wron...Jeff, I don't think you're completely wrong, but you do seem to be ignoring the GPIO aspect of the RPi.<br /><br />It may be possible to achieve something similar with the MK802 using a google IOIO addon or similar, but that would up the price.<br /><br />I would argue slightly with "MK802 is useful OOTB and the RPI isn't" to some extent. Yes, you have to make sure you have all the peripherals/connectors you'll need - this applies to both devices, but more so the Pi - but the RPi is a functioning Linux PC OOTB. According to the reviews I found on Amazon UK for the MK802, some people had a lot of reliability/usability issues and had to hack about a lot to get it working.<br /><br />I guess with more maturity in this market these devices will all be a bit more polished, but RPi already feels like it's there to me. Ultimately the community will need to be the big selling point for RPi as it has been with Arduino (vs clones).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-91772234859041002782013-01-04T21:27:49.727-06:002013-01-04T21:27:49.727-06:00Your ignorance on the subject is what is silly.
T...Your ignorance on the subject is what is silly.<br /><br />The MK802 can run dedicated Linux distros, on faster hardware, at a lower price point than the RPI. <br /><br />Just because the RPI marketed as a "learning tool" doesn't make it any different than what it is a - a low costed ARM PC. That is all it is - marketing. These devices are both low cost PCs that can perform the same functions.<br /><br />The difference? The MK802 is useful OOTB and the RPI isn't.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-34035857170819344492013-01-04T20:04:27.385-06:002013-01-04T20:04:27.385-06:00Seriously, its a silly comparison. its like compar...Seriously, its a silly comparison. its like comparing a laptop from a tablet or windows from linux. What i see in the review is more like one sided to me. Have you really look in the capabilities of the Raspberry pi. May i ask you the following question. Can i used the mk802 as a file server? Can it be use as a SSH tunnel gateway? can i attach a camera on it so that i can viewinside my house from my office?<br /><br />Again, the Raspberry pi is made for learning not for dedicated multimedia which is where MK802 was made for.<br /><br />Again a silly comparison. The title should be "Raspberry pi vs Mk802 as a media PC"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-81557795808642665042012-11-30T09:15:28.367-06:002012-11-30T09:15:28.367-06:00I have both the Raspberry Pi and the MK802. they ...I have both the Raspberry Pi and the MK802. they are both great, but for different things. <br /><br />Linus Torvalds also commented on the Raspberry Pi recently. I think a common assumption is that the Raspberry Pi can be a functional PC. It can't. It is too slow for many commonly assumed computer tasks, even standard web browsing. I wish this was conveyed better, because it makes some people disappointed in the product.<br /><br />One can easily find interesting uses people have done with the Raspberry Pi (and I contend the range of uses is far wider in scope than we see for the MK802). That doesn't make the MK802 bad, just better in a different "useage realm".<br /><br />My biggest complaint of the MK802 is that these things seem to be replaced with better units so fast; I expect most will be unsupported my imaginative people. I am very pleased that we will see Bodhi Linux for the MK802...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-52151989857623793912012-11-27T07:33:30.331-06:002012-11-27T07:33:30.331-06:00Rockchip has dual core systems like UG802. There w...Rockchip has dual core systems like UG802. There will be quad core systems from China soon.Hanoxhttp://tietsikka.blogspot.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-24934577324731056222012-11-27T01:04:38.108-06:002012-11-27T01:04:38.108-06:00So far I'm still holding out for Mali t604 for...So far I'm still holding out for Mali t604 for OpenCL support.Tim Pitmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498430922608501197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-28876468207447161462012-11-26T13:44:30.327-06:002012-11-26T13:44:30.327-06:00This is awesome Jeff! Thanks for sharing this!
Do...This is awesome Jeff! Thanks for sharing this!<br /><br />Do you know if these devices have JTAG exposed on the board (just the pads)?Dru Nelsonhttp://www.xxeo.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-12070847139253618912012-11-26T11:44:29.705-06:002012-11-26T11:44:29.705-06:00You forget to mention also that the RPi is an ARM1...You forget to mention also that the RPi is an ARM11 (ARMv6) core, which is the past generation of ARM and has it's limitations compared to ARMv7. The MK802 is an ARMv7 device (ARM Cortex-A8) which is much more powerful already not including the 500MHz bump.<br /><br />Not to mention that most of the resources of the Broadcom chip on the RPi is locked out by NDA/general unavailability of information from Broadcom; it's actually a completely awful choice for a hobbyist and I still can't understand why people are dumping themselves over the damn thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-65527068402795370112012-11-26T06:20:41.231-06:002012-11-26T06:20:41.231-06:00At least the mali has a chance of becoming free, w...At least the mali has a chance of becoming free, whereas the videocore will always have this massive blob of own RT-OS running everything for you behind your back. --libvAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-18811710647916812842012-11-25T21:56:48.135-06:002012-11-25T21:56:48.135-06:00I'd love to see a dozen or so of either/both d...I'd love to see a dozen or so of either/both devices in a cluster, especially an SSI cluster.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492488288649540575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-17623098112218796472012-11-25T18:37:28.987-06:002012-11-25T18:37:28.987-06:00I've got both the rPi and an MK802 and love th...I've got both the rPi and an MK802 and love them both. The MK802 is faster for most things I've tried but the Raspberry Pi does seem to have the edge with anything more GPU intensive. There's some benchmarks floating around that reflect this.<br /><br />Both computers have single core ARM processors but are different enough that they can't really be compared just on the CPU clock speed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-54328157233481019972012-11-25T18:30:16.643-06:002012-11-25T18:30:16.643-06:00The MK802 comes with Android out of the box but th...The MK802 comes with Android out of the box but there are several linux distros that can be installed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-35943271951766174032012-11-25T18:21:24.309-06:002012-11-25T18:21:24.309-06:00I'm failing to see how it is a silly compariso...I'm failing to see how it is a silly comparison. Aside from lacking a wired network connection this device allows for much of the same as the RPI, with more features, a better looking shell, and a lower price.<br /><br />Just because it is marketed as a media device doesn't make it useless for other purposes. These are both low cost, ARM PCs.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-84741937458725417592012-11-25T18:19:56.694-06:002012-11-25T18:19:56.694-06:00RPI graphic drivers are just as closed source and ...RPI graphic drivers are just as closed source and there are folks working on the drivers for the A10 chipset.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-31738604195081230902012-11-25T18:18:44.810-06:002012-11-25T18:18:44.810-06:00It runs Ubuntu and other "real" Linux di...It runs Ubuntu and other "real" Linux distributions.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-84964996752413556142012-11-25T18:18:39.651-06:002012-11-25T18:18:39.651-06:00It runs Android which to be frank makes it pretty ...It runs Android which to be frank makes it pretty useless as a general purpose Linux box. You can bootstrap Debian but you'll lose the ability to use the OpenGL graphics drivers, this is because the userland OpenGL drivers are closed source and compiled against the Android BIONIC libc clone rather than glibc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-33352486391254362542012-11-25T18:01:45.372-06:002012-11-25T18:01:45.372-06:00Yep, silly comparison. In the UK when the BBC, Spe...Yep, silly comparison. In the UK when the BBC, Spectrum, Commodore, Amstrad and Oric machines were around, programming them was about squeezing as much as possible out of the hardware and being creative with the games and software being produced. The Pi is intended to provide a similar basis for learning, not for being a powerful sub-$50 media system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-63226314819579495542012-11-25T17:04:11.901-06:002012-11-25T17:04:11.901-06:00It looks nice as a consumer device, but the raspbe...It looks nice as a consumer device, but the raspberry pi was designed as a learning tool, not a consumer device, so this comparison is just silly.<br />For the people that just want to use it with XBMC to watch movies and things like that it is perfect though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-10165620420187826432012-11-25T16:44:31.251-06:002012-11-25T16:44:31.251-06:00The devices he listed actually have the same physi...The devices he listed actually have the same physical specs as the MK802 (allwinner a10 board). I can't speak to their price point though.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-54373139241614372652012-11-25T16:41:46.616-06:002012-11-25T16:41:46.616-06:00So basically different devices to the one compared...So basically different devices to the one compared to the Pi.Bluseychrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03975643322633614937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-67262792879709827012012-11-25T16:17:32.545-06:002012-11-25T16:17:32.545-06:00How many GPIO pins?How many GPIO pins?Bluseychrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03975643322633614937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-27950840490752527712012-11-25T15:21:49.354-06:002012-11-25T15:21:49.354-06:00Good info. Good info. Anthony Hopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708347177061466201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-63733239661588932262012-11-25T14:52:40.910-06:002012-11-25T14:52:40.910-06:00Have you run other OS's on it. Android is OK ...Have you run other OS's on it. Android is OK but it isn't as good for software as, say, Ubuntu. For example, Android pro Audio is very poor.<br />GuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-80081720583117012272012-11-25T14:14:38.753-06:002012-11-25T14:14:38.753-06:00http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008BFXOZE/ref=ox...http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008BFXOZE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A2XYIDHW2C10EQ<br /><br />I agree with this post, this computer is amazing.nemikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08789350119028072460noreply@blogger.com