tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post5485212447079855425..comments2024-03-05T10:47:39.661-06:00Comments on Thoughts on Technology: Q&A with Enlightenment Lead Developer "Rasterman"Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-74860720117439809442013-03-24T04:06:58.360-05:002013-03-24T04:06:58.360-05:00E17 needs visual layer between GTK and Enlightenme...E17 needs visual layer between GTK and Enlightenment itself. Due to deficiency of native applications, GTK themes and icons break the solid look of the E17 desktop. <br /><br />Is there any work done in this direction? AnthraxBasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269487391605652400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-19023108530527732132011-11-10T02:46:03.697-06:002011-11-10T02:46:03.697-06:00As a long time user - 9 years - I have no complain...As a long time user - 9 years - I have no complain about "E".<br /><br />Of course, there were/are limitations of what "E" is capable of doing, but then, everything has limitations - even KDE/Gnome have their own limitations.<br /><br />I have nothing but respect for Rasterman for his persistence and determination to go on coding, no matter what type of silly things others said about him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-9505692490261530792011-11-02T06:01:23.425-05:002011-11-02T06:01:23.425-05:00Raster's problem is that he prefers to work in...Raster's problem is that he prefers to work in secret as he mentioned. Yeah if really nobody knows what happens no other will be able to blog about this than he or other developers. This means extinction and stalling for EFL as it appears to me now. I am power user of linux and yet have not heard about all that E thing for years (with notable exception for vapourware tales).<br /><br />Guys do some community work or else projects like your will deserve progressing irrelevance. But you maybe just love this.<br /><br />Even if Samsung have been throwing money into the project for many months now as you like to mention, it now backpedals to HTML5!<br /><br />And you have funny habit of taking random ${PARADIGM} like scene graph or ${INTEGRATION}, you claim it as your grand idea and claim the whoever does the same usign common knowledge, copies you.<br /><br />Come on guys, get a break and do some useful work, e.g. finally release your DE with working file manager or so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-17588747069361028862011-11-01T13:00:59.973-05:002011-11-01T13:00:59.973-05:00I have fond memories of enlightenment from the day...I have fond memories of enlightenment from the days when it was the default desktop for Redhat and I try it (16 & 17) every now and then and have for years, in hopes of switching to it full time. But its never quite stable enough or configurable enough for me. <br /><br />My main blocks now are replicating Gnome 2 and XFCE style top panel with icons and bottom panel with menu some icons, notifications and a workspace switcher. <br /><br />Its sad though that after all these years there's only about 20 devs contributing regularly. They've done amazing things but where is the community? Maybe the lead devs need to look at the organization of the project. Whats keeping more devs from showing up?<br /><br />emkemknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-90629412900157820112011-11-01T08:47:24.699-05:002011-11-01T08:47:24.699-05:00Two words: Run Everything
Beyond that the fact th...Two words: <a href="http://www.bodhilinux.com/e17guide/e17guideEN/everything.html" rel="nofollow">Run Everything</a><br /><br />Beyond that the fact that E17 is easily customizable compared to anything else is a plus. And it is extremely theme-able.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-55943566301873366302011-11-01T08:40:57.599-05:002011-11-01T08:40:57.599-05:00The question still stands though, what does Enligh...The question still stands though, what does Enlightenment do that nobody else does? Is it just behind the scenes stuff? Is there anything that I can point my finger to? Written in it's own tool kit doesn't mean a whole lot to me as a user. Also, I've been hearing about how xfce has become too bloated for a couple of years now. However, I have run it on a couple of old boxes and also run Enlightenment and all of the other DEs I mentioned. I must be doing something wrong because xfce runs just as well as the others.<br /><br />My point though, was that if Enlightenment's main issue is a PR one then here's your chance. Tell everybody why it's better. Not from a coding perspective, but from a users perspective. I'm open to hearing about all the greatness that is Enlightenment. I've got it installed on my laptop right now. What can it do that other DEs can't?CoryHesshttp://www.thehesses.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-9434250485287912862011-10-31T17:31:18.582-05:002011-10-31T17:31:18.582-05:00Fantastic post Jeff :)
I totally agree with:
&qu...Fantastic post Jeff :)<br /><br />I totally agree with:<br /><br />"I really wish we had 1 or more people just devoted to doing public relations, blogs, announcements, press releases... the works ".<br /><br />But for this, the bloggers, we need to know the new the works, announcements, etc..<br /><br />Is there anything new lately to E17 ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-3299964992795795482011-10-31T15:54:02.405-05:002011-10-31T15:54:02.405-05:00> Oh and calling XFCE "light" is a jo...> Oh and calling XFCE "light" is a joke. It is just as bloated as Gnome 2 at this point.<br /><br />Are you talking about Xubuntu distro (where bloat comes from Ubuntu services etc) using XFCE or plain XFCE desktop?<br /><br />AFAIK a lot of Gnome 2 (memory usage) bloat comes from out-of-process panel applets, in XFCE many of them are in-process.<br /><br /><br />> They are designed from the ground up as a scene graph. GTK and QT are just beginning to explore that and see the light.<br /><br />Gnome scenegraph is called Clutter, not Gtk. :-) Clutter was started on 2006, so it's already 5 years old and API-wise quite nice.<br /><br />Qt scenegraph is newer than that though and the implementation backing up QML changes in Qt v5.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-72306539581310371082011-10-30T23:34:19.426-05:002011-10-30T23:34:19.426-05:00Nice one, Jeff! ...and profound respect to Raster...Nice one, Jeff! ...and profound respect to Rasterman.<br />I'm back in Australia now an will be at Linux.conf.au in January - be happy to provide a focus for Bodhi &/or Enlightenment there if that would help?<br /><br />Ben (aka Flymo on Bodhi Forums)BigBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13892330033415897315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-49183601529672811662011-10-30T16:53:55.153-05:002011-10-30T16:53:55.153-05:00Hey Jeff, thinking about it, I would also like to ...Hey Jeff, thinking about it, I would also like to help out in that PR thing mentioned before. I won't mind spending some time spreading awareness and all the goodies about E17, now my favourite Shell. Please tell me what you think.Yaseen Nooranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16982795328802295240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-43893893382491352952011-10-30T14:49:25.520-05:002011-10-30T14:49:25.520-05:00Yup! XFCE is quite as bloated as gnome 2 in my exp...Yup! XFCE is quite as bloated as gnome 2 in my experience as well, although I use it mainly because it is very much like gnome 2 and i really liked gnome 2. But E17 is brilliant. I had given it a try some time back by installing it on a normal ubuntu install but it didn't give the best experience because I could not get extra modules to work and I was a bit unfarmiliar with the way it worked. But thanks to Bodhi I can use it properly and now I love it.Yaseen Nooranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16982795328802295240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-72409170553259171032011-10-29T19:54:53.987-05:002011-10-29T19:54:53.987-05:00None of those other desktops you just listed are w...None of those other desktops you just listed are written in their own tool kit. The EFLs are written from the ground up with speed in mind.<br /><br />GTK was not written with speed in mind.<br /><br />Oh and calling XFCE "light" is a joke. It is just as bloated as Gnome 2 at this point.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-58193794425799813442011-10-29T15:34:27.754-05:002011-10-29T15:34:27.754-05:00After playing with BodhiLinux and Enlightenment, t...After playing with BodhiLinux and Enlightenment, the question I'm left with is "Why?". What does Enlightenment do that makes it better than the alternatives? Why not use XFCE, LXDE, OpenBox, or any of the other lightweight DEs out there? I don't ask this to be a jerk, I just don't see enough of a differentiation. My suggestion would be to come up with a killer app. Something that would make people want to use Enlightenment because they do this one thing better than any other DE out there. For example, KDE's PIM is head and shoulders above anybody else's and I've installed KDE specifically for that reason in the past. What does Enlightenment have that nobody else does?CoryHesshttp://www.thehesses.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-60985028475568672382011-10-29T02:45:04.937-05:002011-10-29T02:45:04.937-05:00Only 6 comments?
ppl, you really have to give a tr...Only 6 comments?<br />ppl, you really have to give a try to Bodhi, and you'll see how fantastic E17 is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-34577861008596597762011-10-28T23:56:45.742-05:002011-10-28T23:56:45.742-05:00Fantastic post Jeff!Fantastic post Jeff!adufbsoifnvokdansoiouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12502672838173556768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-348111905857586272011-10-28T09:19:20.543-05:002011-10-28T09:19:20.543-05:00Ha! I've already been talking with Raster abou...Ha! I've already been talking with Raster about taking over said task.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-46682323878911395962011-10-28T07:53:26.423-05:002011-10-28T07:53:26.423-05:00Great post! Seems like a funny guy. Anyways, I rea...Great post! Seems like a funny guy. Anyways, I really love Bodhi and e17, Bodhi has given me a chance to be able to use e17 with the ease-of-use of Ubuntu and I really like it. Regarding e17, I think it is great but has the potential to become much better. It can even beat the big guns Gnome, KDE, Windows and OS X in terns of DE. The only thing holding it back is the lack of awareness among people and I believe that a public relations guy would be extremely useful, just like Cassidy James is for ElementaryOS.<br />Suggestion: why not yourself Jeff, you have an e17 distro under you so you would be in a good position. just a suggstionYaseen Nooranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16982795328802295240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-3179133855747219652011-10-27T21:43:54.180-05:002011-10-27T21:43:54.180-05:00Good post.
We should really be doing lots more PR...Good post.<br /><br />We should really be doing lots more PR for e17 and release 1.0. As many as five people from different companies that I spoke to, in Linux Con 2011, have used e16, but then just switched to other options for no apparent reason. They range from folks working for purely embedded (use Linux to run small motots) to big distros. <br /><br />And they all have complaints about the alternatives!<br /><br />We have to show e17 in better light.Sanjeevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410851510609164616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-78595901492393978332011-10-27T21:41:38.515-05:002011-10-27T21:41:38.515-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sanjeevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410851510609164616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-77435317314035169252011-10-27T19:54:31.925-05:002011-10-27T19:54:31.925-05:00yay! this is one of the most impressive posting ab...yay! this is one of the most impressive posting about enlightenment. very good!Daniel Juyung Seohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546884763377270610noreply@blogger.com