tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post7397393155207582200..comments2024-03-05T10:47:39.661-06:00Comments on Thoughts on Technology: Listen to your Package Manager - It Knows what it is Talking About!Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-36911146401257179722011-02-07T15:42:11.247-06:002011-02-07T15:42:11.247-06:00This brings up two problems with the package manag...This brings up two problems with the package manager. First, it is asking a question that some users are not qualified to answer. Second, there is no undo button if they answer wrong.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130197869720688043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-28716561645251553132011-02-07T04:54:15.820-06:002011-02-07T04:54:15.820-06:00Hi
What caught me out (once!) was when the packag...Hi<br /><br />What caught me out (once!) was when the package manager failed to download all the packages & asked 'do you want to proceed anyway.' Clicking yes caused real problems as some dependencies were not upgraded breaking a few things (including X windows). Fortunately I was able to fix this from a terminal.Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-6872359507056807582011-02-07T04:48:42.609-06:002011-02-07T04:48:42.609-06:00I'm not the anonymous poster above, but I woul...I'm not the anonymous poster above, but I would have to agree with him. I understand that it's not your fault that the update got into the upstream repos, but part of the responsibility of running a distro is making sure updates like that don't end up making it out to your users.<br /><br />Not saying that we always succeed at that goal, but I think it was a mistake to ignore the problem when you first saw it and assume your users would make the correct decision (speaking as a system administrator who has done the same thing and regretted it).Jonathan Dieterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205553520078093465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-52794479430923741192011-02-06T16:29:52.557-06:002011-02-06T16:29:52.557-06:00Sounds like you only glazed the post ;)Sounds like you only glazed the post ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-54505189577458926092011-02-06T16:18:19.229-06:002011-02-06T16:18:19.229-06:00sounds like the update was poorly designed to fail...sounds like the update was poorly designed to fail and shouldn't have made it to the repo in the first placeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-64869480655935754042011-02-06T15:42:55.842-06:002011-02-06T15:42:55.842-06:00@left.crupps I thin the message "warning may ...@left.crupps I thin the message "warning may cause irreversible damage to your system" is pretty clear to anyone who can read :-/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-7593251108516779452011-02-06T15:14:39.466-06:002011-02-06T15:14:39.466-06:00I agree that the information is clear and valuable...I agree that the information is clear and valuable, but many people probably don't know or care what an xorg is; the warning makes no sense to non-tech people. When does the removal of a package matter and when is it a trivial issue, when it's all gibberish to a non-techy?lefty.cruppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057046553552877729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-70725039996835626382011-02-06T15:05:02.702-06:002011-02-06T15:05:02.702-06:00This drives me insane.
My wife still uses WiNdOwS,...This drives me insane.<br />My wife still uses WiNdOwS, and while my "tech support" stuff for her is nominal (I escaped WiNdOwS after WIN98) I will help her out by offering advice, although not actually using/touching her computer.<br />Up pops a window, which she closes immediately.<br />I ask her what the pop-up said, she doesn't know.<br />Aaarrrggghhh!!!<br />The funny thing is that she's an ex-WiNdOwS programmer, so she should know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-34027662199663293382011-02-06T11:29:44.929-06:002011-02-06T11:29:44.929-06:00I know. People are blinded by the fact that Window...I know. People are blinded by the fact that Windows viruses are called "computer" viruses, when they really affect only one easily-replaceable component of the computer -- the operating system -- and only the Windows operating system. They therefore are paranoid about popups and think they are all about harming their computer, not realizing that it actually does give you a real -- *not* fake -- warning.realkstrawn93https://www.blogger.com/profile/15188358694394204849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-12150120976502748782011-02-06T09:52:17.411-06:002011-02-06T09:52:17.411-06:00Not reading pop-ups is Windows' users syndrome...Not reading pop-ups is Windows' users syndrome, where 99.9% of popups are a nag.<br />As far as I know, Linux does warn you when you really are to be warned.<br />...and we learned to read.Emil Belihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11079047149792926089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-73496082849824666712011-02-06T09:49:08.873-06:002011-02-06T09:49:08.873-06:00Have to agree with this article. Package managers ...Have to agree with this article. Package managers issue warnings for a reason, and warning messages are sometimes critical. Whenever I 'apt-get dist-upgrade', I pay close attention to the listings of packages that the command wants to remove.<br /><br />I had this problem on LMDE: I saw that an upgrade to most of the video drivers was going to remove my whole desktop, along with half of my console system, practically breaking everything I had installed. Thankfully I saw the volume of packages to be removed, so I just typed 'N' at the prompt and did an 'apt-get upgrade' instead, which doesn't resolve dependencies but rather just updates the packages that don't force new installations or remove packages already installed.<br /><br />Package management is serious matter. Heed the warnings before clicking "OK" or "Continue".realkstrawn93https://www.blogger.com/profile/15188358694394204849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-12791427322654754272011-02-06T08:12:56.758-06:002011-02-06T08:12:56.758-06:00Words of wisdom, indeed.Words of wisdom, indeed.Guillaume Voisinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05550591748983727905noreply@blogger.com