tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post163346924665009932..comments2024-03-05T10:47:39.661-06:00Comments on Thoughts on Technology: 32 bit vs 64 bit Linux - Which to Choose?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-34971165396308241122014-01-25T17:17:13.901-06:002014-01-25T17:17:13.901-06:00Well it is 2014 and I suppose the war rages on tho...Well it is 2014 and I suppose the war rages on though it seems to have cooled off here... About to install LM16 32-bit on a 64-bit laptop alongside Win7 64-bit. Why? I don't need it to run 64-bit on the linux partition. Also. Because I can because I have a choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-60942037368664392492014-01-25T16:47:36.723-06:002014-01-25T16:47:36.723-06:00I agree with you on most part about the 64 vs 32-b...I agree with you on most part about the 64 vs 32-bit argument. Though disagree somewhat on the remark of a usable office suite. I think many would be surprised how many people still run XP and Office2007. For the average Joe Libre office is sufficient for some spreadsheet and general letter writing or maybe even a powerpoint style display for grandma's birthday. In the business world though it would still be trailing by 10 yrs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-82332234873964232322013-07-14T18:24:37.459-05:002013-07-14T18:24:37.459-05:00You might find that's due to Your Graphics Car...You might find that's due to Your Graphics Card.<br />I know it's a bit late to answer, and You probably found out Somewhere else.<br /><br />However. I've just read this, no-one else has answered, so... Here We go:<br /><br />32-BIT, (Traditionally, without PAE.) can only address or, "see", up to 4GB.<br /><br />So if You have a Graphics Card, (even if it isn't on-board, sharing the Physical RAM.) You will find that Your remaining System RAM is: [Total System RAM.] - [Graphics RAM].<br /><br />So for example, 4GB. Of System RAM. as it's the maximum supported, and a 1GB. Graphics Card:<br />[4GB] - [1GB] = [3GB]<br /><br />Very basic, not at all exact, but to keep things simple, I've done it like that.<br />I hope that this helps Someone else, as I imagine that System and/ or Issue is long gone for You.<br /><br />Love & Peace.<br /><br />In3D. Limited.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04519165712666547450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-70978412360901863882013-06-14T19:02:19.094-05:002013-06-14T19:02:19.094-05:00look at distro watch very few 32 bit OS'S not ...look at distro watch very few 32 bit OS'S not all of us live in the US were 64 bit is commonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-26366787615082323612013-05-28T00:24:25.821-05:002013-05-28T00:24:25.821-05:00I just spent the better part of Memorial Day weeke...I just spent the better part of Memorial Day weekend trying to get ANY 64-bit Linux to work on my spanking brand new Gigabyte (GA-970A-DS3, Rev 3.0) motherboard and get the steenkeng Realtek gigabit NIC (8011E/8189 I think it is) to work. Downloaded drivers, compiled, installed, re-cooked initramfs, all kinds of "black magic." Mandriva, Ubuntu, Fedora - all 'Pfft!' I finally gave up and installed a (lowly) 32-bit version (Mandriva 2010.2) and "PRESTO* suddenly I had a working NIC. Like somebody several paragraphs said - If it doesn't work it doesn't matter how fast it is (or would be).<br /><br />PS - I couldn't get 64-bit Windows 8 to install AT ALL, regardless of whether the NIC mith work or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-67603013007458575402013-05-08T11:02:37.586-05:002013-05-08T11:02:37.586-05:00Heh!
Excellent advice from Jeff, as ever - but it&...Heh!<br />Excellent advice from Jeff, as ever - but it's approaching its third birthday and things have changed since it was posted,<br />64-bit is indeed far more mainstream nowadays, imho. <br /><br />If you own an Epson Stylus CX5500 or similar scanner/printer you may find (as we did) that all of its many problems go away when you try the current Bodhi Linux 32-bit PAE (on an AMD 245 X2 desktop with 4GB RAM) rather than Bodhi Linux 64-bit - which works fine in other respects.<br /><br />Who knew? Well, I didn't. The PAE 32 does not run noticeably faster or slower than 64 from a user perspective - subjectively it looks and feels fast, according to friends with quad-core Intel hardware and W7. Suits me.<br /><br />ymmv!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-37092411608544733622013-04-11T19:34:44.755-05:002013-04-11T19:34:44.755-05:00Just a quick note here:
plain 32-bit x86 uses a tw...Just a quick note here:<br />plain 32-bit x86 uses a two-level page table.<br />PAE 32-bit x86 uses a three-level (slower) page table.<br />64-bit uses a four-level (slowest) page table.<br /><br />64-bit is essentially PAE II.<br /><br />Note that it is also possible to handle 64-bit data in a 32-bit environment (long long anybody?), allowing 64-bit time and such.<br /><br />With fat 64-bit integers and 64-bit pointers, 64-bit code uses up twice as much memory, and even more importantly, twice as much _cache_.<br /><br />Most of the "speed improvements" seen in benchmarks running "64-bit" code are from SSE being used or compiler flags other than -march=386 -mtune=386.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-26729193219922671962012-08-08T19:04:20.469-05:002012-08-08T19:04:20.469-05:00You can have the best of both worlds. Install a 3...You can have the best of both worlds. Install a 32 bit distro and install a 64 bit kernel.tux9656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-79366184231929338692012-07-06T04:33:41.881-05:002012-07-06T04:33:41.881-05:00I have to install Linux on a system limited to 8GB...I have to install Linux on a system limited to 8GB RAM (that's how much the MB supports), and on which I also have to run at least two VMs at the same time. Using 64bit Linux wastes too much mem, IMO, in this setup. Since I don't run any app which gains a lot from running on 64 bit (no heavy image or video processing at high bit depths, or such), and PAE perf penalty is negligible, I'd say the advice against 64 bit on the desktop is still valid.<br /><br />It all depends on the data structures of your apps. If lots of the primitive values manipulated by your apps are 8 bytes long, 64bit is the way to go. But that's not yet the case, AFAIK. Even image manipulation happens mostly at bit depths below 32bit, for now. I'm not even sure many server-side apps are really benefiting from 64bit kernels. I guess apps moving huge binary chunks around in mem, or performing lots of floating point calculations would benefit from 64 bit, but how many people do 3D rendering or heavy internet routing on their desktop machines?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-14005533283636260442012-04-22T19:27:09.121-05:002012-04-22T19:27:09.121-05:00This article was published on Thursday, August 12,...This article was published on Thursday, August 12, 2010. As an IT professional, I would say at the time this was excellent advice. The software hadn't yet caught up to the hardware. The average user needs his applications to work reliably. I still use 32-bit for diagnostic tools on CD or Flash because there is still a lot of old hardware out there that people would rather keep than replace. That being said; current levels of technology indicate 64 bit is now the better choice for the desktopAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-19734552060100835002012-03-21T03:05:37.681-05:002012-03-21T03:05:37.681-05:00You haven't mentioned computation, equation so...You haven't mentioned computation, equation solving, etc. There the 64 bit CPUs significantly can reduce calculation times. And now 64 bit CPUs are available for desktop PCs, so unless you are using applications like Microsoft Office go 64 bit. If CPU time is not a matter to you (survellaince applications) sty on 32 bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-87450526011818062292012-03-18T11:25:14.705-05:002012-03-18T11:25:14.705-05:00I do not see the point here everyone is arguing ab...I do not see the point here everyone is arguing about.<br /><br />If you have a 64bit hardware use it to learn, play with it more often to get to know the new world. Use 32 bit untill it supports more stuffs. When they stop supporting, change to 64bit and move on.<br /><br />We are discussing about a 32bit and 64 bit, who knows we can be using 128bit as a general user in future.<br /><br />So my point is - Use which is best for you now, keep your options open and mould yourself accordingly in future so that you do not feel like new to the world that's it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-56589558678598665812012-03-16T15:43:56.831-05:002012-03-16T15:43:56.831-05:0064bit:
-produces fat binary and larger memory foot...64bit:<br />-produces fat binary and larger memory footprint(because of memory padding/alignment) which in turn impact your slowest component of your system, which is your harddisk.<br /><br />+much better suited for things that need high performance(extra registry of 64bit if programmed properly)<br /><br /><br />so if your doing basic stuff and non of the high-end computing stuff, stick with 32bit. it is still alive and kicking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-47388994255859313652012-01-18T15:22:58.626-06:002012-01-18T15:22:58.626-06:00Too bad this post turned into a battle. Jeff only ...Too bad this post turned into a battle. Jeff only wanted to express his opinion at the current point in time. I 'll bet 32-bit was the better choice a year ago. 64-bit is the future, as will be 128-bit. And you can't argue that unless you are still running an 8-bit DOS system and running your software off 5.25" floppies. Probably what would be more informative is for people to chime in with their current configs and experience and then let others and beginners make their own informed decision from your concrete information. I have been running 32-bit Opensuse on my Dell with 4GB RAM and 30GB HDD. for a couple years. It ran great until the last few upgrades of Opensuse 11.4 and Firefox 9.0. I am also at 94% usage on my HDD. The system performace is lacking now. I reverted back to FireFox 3.6 to get back some performance. I don't know where the bottle neck is but my theory is WEBKIT went south in memory management. <br /><br />Anyway, I just ordered a new Core I5k, with 16GB RAM, 500GB HDD. That should hold me over for another 10 years. You can bet your bottom dollar I am going to install 64-bit Opensuse 12.1. And if it gives me trouble I will just go back to 32-bit or even 11.4. But I will google around to see what everyones experiences are. Which led me to this blog. Thanks Jeff.... Your opinion helped me. <br />The people who preached about how other people don't know what they are talking about did not help me. <br /><br />I don't consider myself a power user. I browse the web, I develop some web sites here and there, read e-mail. However, even just the basics lead into more complex avenues quickly. Web development requires, XAMPP, multiple browsers, for testing, an IDE, etc... And of course you always want to gimp an image every once in a while. SO if 64-bit helps only with GIMP then so be it.<br /><br />And I do have to get another 2 cents in about Windows... Because some numb nut above tried to pass windows 7 as being faster and more stable than linux. I run Opensuse 11.4. I can't even remember the last time I had to re-boot my PC!!! In fact just 20 minutes ago my scanner caused a system failure which RARELY happens and linux gracefully killed the process and allowed me to restart the task. NOT THE WHOLE FRIGGIN PC! Opensuse Allows me to install ALL upgrades at MY OWN discretion without a single RE-BOOT! <br />Just last week I wanted to bitch slap Bill Gates every 5 minutes when my Windows laptop kept prompting for a re-boot. <br /><br /><br /><br />OHHHH you want to talk about performance.... Come talk about your Windows bullsh$t AFTER you have 2 different anti-virus scanners running, 2 or 3 different maleware scanners installed. Then.. lets talk about performance!<br /><br />Microsoft is a GREAT company that does GREAT things HORRIBLY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-73146838353855431672011-12-02T22:27:33.146-06:002011-12-02T22:27:33.146-06:00Hmmm, lots of talk. Do some reading:
http://www.am...Hmmm, lots of talk. Do some reading:<br />http://www.amd64.org/fileadmin/user_upload/pub/64bit_Linux-Myths_and_Facts.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-39668778757363468802011-11-24T19:35:36.196-06:002011-11-24T19:35:36.196-06:00I currently run XP Pro on one drive and 32 bit PCL...I currently run XP Pro on one drive and 32 bit PCLOS on another.<br /><br />I have 3gb of RAM and an AMD64 X2 CPU (4200).<br /><br />I was thinking of installing a 64 BIT Linux OS and when needed run a VM for a 32 BIT version of Linux or even XP.<br /><br />I would get the best of both worlds.<br /><br />Any thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-53163026051365418452011-10-21T07:50:30.355-05:002011-10-21T07:50:30.355-05:00For me it's a no-brainier because Solaris has ...For me it's a no-brainier because Solaris has been running 64 bit for years now and is very stable. It also has the 128 bit ZFS filesystem. So why am I in a Linux forum? Well, for reasons I can not fathom finding the latest, really neat GUI binaries is easy in Linux and impossible in Solaris. Same goes for much of the scientific software. Anyone have any ideas of why that is so?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-87973511184705634162011-10-09T11:04:58.262-05:002011-10-09T11:04:58.262-05:00Yep over a year later Adobe adds support for 64bit...Yep over a year later Adobe adds support for 64bit Linux again. Never mind that they have "supported" it in the past only to drop it at a future date.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-8180830066068794602011-10-09T08:01:54.657-05:002011-10-09T08:01:54.657-05:00http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer.html
&q...http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer.html<br /><br />"Native 64-bit support<br />Flash Player can now take advantage of native support for 64-bit operating systems and 64-bit web browsers on Linux®, Mac OS, and Windows®."Rolandashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04866187453825070751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-63883206291602956862011-09-13T18:50:37.209-05:002011-09-13T18:50:37.209-05:00I find all this interesting but let's take it ...I find all this interesting but let's take it down to the base. 32 bit or 64 hw isn't the issue. 32 bit or 64 bit kernel and userland isn't the issue. What is the issue, pure and simple, is:<br /><br />What platform will run all my software that I want to run without me having to jump through hoops to hotrod the system so it will run?<br /><br />I run a single 32 bit only application so the choice for me is 32 bit. It's just that simple. From reading the posts, I get the impression that some of you don't understand the simple concept of it has to work for the basic, non technical user. This shouldn't be a foreign concept to anyone here as I'm sure all of you have worked in the business world. I'm sure many of you understand that at the end of the day, it works as it's suppose to or you're out of job. (if you want to create extra work for yourself, go right ahead)<br /><br />There is no difference here. At the end of the day, the system has to do what I want it to do. This doesn't make me stupid or inept. It makes like the guy that signs your paycheck and can fire you. I want it working and I don't care how it does it and have neither the time nor the inclination to tweak the system.<br /><br />You will find the 90% of the world that doesn't work in IT and isn't the slightest impressed with any this tech vs that tech argument feels this way too.<br /><br />In other words, make life easy and go 32 bit on your desktop and save the 32 vs 64 argument for someone who gives a damn. I'm going to do something that's actually productive.<br /><br />/end soapboxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-83315250478850278612011-08-04T19:39:34.191-05:002011-08-04T19:39:34.191-05:00We're well into 64 bit hardware territory. It...We're well into 64 bit hardware territory. It's been over 20 yrs since DEC Alphas came out.<br /><br />If the hardware is 64 bit, the kernel should be 64 bit. Or else what's the point in having 64 bit hardware?<br /><br />If there are app problems, run a 32 bit VM.<br /><br />Would you run a P4 in Celeron mode just because an app (with DMA, think Flash) can only use half of the L1/L2 cache?<br /><br />The conclusion of the article reads like:<br /><br />Half of the L2 cache of the P4 is good enough for everyday usage, so it is suggested that you run your P4 in Celeron mode.<br /><br />Just because half of the comments agree doesn't mean it's correct. That's a Rupert Murdoch right there: All Spin Zone. Popularity is not Accuracy.<br /><br />KISS. 64 bit kernel for 64 bit hardware. If you want to run a 32 bit kernel, get 32 bit hardware.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-75372082233843909672011-04-24T13:24:15.324-05:002011-04-24T13:24:15.324-05:00altho i will have to run the game development soft...altho i will have to run the game development software on windows which ill have installed on a seperate hard drive. i dont think unity 3d works in linux right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-17622178349980037092011-04-24T12:43:25.444-05:002011-04-24T12:43:25.444-05:00im getting the amd phenom ii 6 core 3.3/ 3.7 ghz p...im getting the amd phenom ii 6 core 3.3/ 3.7 ghz processor, ive never used linux much before and im gonna put ubuntu on my system. my friend recommended me to use ubuntu 10.04 he said it runs better than the 10.10. im gonna primarily use my system for game development using unity 3d, and probably blender for the modelling (at least for now), mixing music, downloading/ listening/ watching music and movies and burning them to disks. not much for webbrowsing, i only use the internet for checking mail, research, and looking for new parts for my system. and im going to run 16gb of memory. so personally... im using the 64 bit version.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-13984171261629904432011-04-21T21:00:24.365-05:002011-04-21T21:00:24.365-05:00im going to through this out there but linux needs...im going to through this out there but linux needs to begin the 64 bit development we have seen this transition before in the 8 to 16 bit and 16 to 32 bit generations when as the hard developed for that software that didnt update with fell by the waysideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-75316699983039943252011-02-09T12:14:50.665-06:002011-02-09T12:14:50.665-06:00I think Y2K38 will be as big of a deal as Y2K turn...I think Y2K38 will be as big of a deal as Y2K turned out to be for the average person...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com