tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post5262466882901893133..comments2024-03-05T10:47:39.661-06:00Comments on Thoughts on Technology: Comparison of Linux Desktops OpenGL PerformanceAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-56420607600220094012013-03-20T04:31:10.653-05:002013-03-20T04:31:10.653-05:00Great post Jeff - it will make me shift from XFCE....Great post Jeff - it will make me shift from XFCE. Even KDE(no compiz) is better. <br /><br />But wow! any comparison test seem to bring out the Fanboi's and their dogs all howling "unfair, unfair!". So as you say, why don't they go and do their own "fair" tests and post the results?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-45139853210952490932013-02-22T08:33:50.093-06:002013-02-22T08:33:50.093-06:00Actually with E17 the theme really affect the perf...Actually with E17 the theme really affect the performance.<br /><br />The default E17 theme outperform any other theme i tried.Christianhttp://www.pixielive.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-41780307845675717262013-02-18T18:38:19.367-06:002013-02-18T18:38:19.367-06:00and you're a turnip.and you're a turnip.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10972324070309916970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-17330353026409861022013-02-18T15:13:38.187-06:002013-02-18T15:13:38.187-06:00Go tell Intel and Samsung that. Go tell Intel and Samsung that. Dale Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15754172980801980132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-65048639116523845732013-02-18T10:21:30.444-06:002013-02-18T10:21:30.444-06:00@martin: Just FYI, e17's default out-of-the-bo...@martin: Just FYI, e17's default out-of-the-box config is to never turn off compositing (just like KWin - for the same reasons - bodgey drivers), but it has the exact same optimization options available. Just turn on "Don't composite fullscreen windows" and it will shut down the compositor when fullscreen windows turn up automatically. YMMV depending on driver. So I totally understand your point here about such options. Same problems and issues and options etc. - I don't know if Jeff has enabled or disabled E17's option for turning of compositing for fullscreen windows, but as long as both KWin and E17 are doing the same thing (keeping comp on or off in the same situation), then it's a fair comparison.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10972324070309916970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-91742254418545949562013-02-18T08:40:42.216-06:002013-02-18T08:40:42.216-06:00Agreed. I dropped Unity for the newest XFCE to onl...Agreed. I dropped Unity for the newest XFCE to only find a similar speed experience. Went back to Unity, for now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-36832585420154253902013-02-18T08:34:43.328-06:002013-02-18T08:34:43.328-06:00Xubuntu is a fair bit more resource intensive than...Xubuntu is a fair bit more resource intensive than vanilla Xfce. It might be more accurate to label that column "Xubuntu Desktop" or something like that. Of course the information is still quite relevant. I just think it ought to be clear what it is (I use Xubuntu on some machines, incidentally).CFWhitmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01109952971346462453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-65828113312369489362013-02-18T08:04:46.664-06:002013-02-18T08:04:46.664-06:00E17 is dead dude....E17 is dead dude....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-74373617618416807722013-02-18T05:31:44.998-06:002013-02-18T05:31:44.998-06:00Actually even better it to use the 'big pictur...Actually even better it to use the 'big picture mode' that steam install.<br /><br />i.e at the lightdm manager as well as your usual desktop options (unity,kde, etc) you will also have a new option 'steam' - this boot straight into steam without loading ANY desktop - i.e more resources available for gaming.<br /><br />i.e http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/better-steam-for-linux-performance-with.html<br /><br />You should test that mode for comparison. Yossarian UKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00454060894574518500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-85217094205792238212013-02-18T05:00:35.760-06:002013-02-18T05:00:35.760-06:00slim vs xdm or extra gnome apps installed are not ...slim vs xdm or extra gnome apps installed are not relevant to the desktops wm/compositor and if it gets in the way or not and by how much, if it does.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10972324070309916970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-33816079316699173802013-02-17T23:22:03.873-06:002013-02-17T23:22:03.873-06:00And no tests using DWM???
Probably the next best ...And no tests using DWM???<br /><br />Probably the next best test, aside from running a control Xorg only Session.<br /><br /><br />A true scientific test would have absolutely had a control scenario. First, perform a test with an X/Xorg only Session. A second text only using DWM could further justify the tests of the initial control session, as DWM only has 1,000 lines of code, and would likely rule out any stray scripting when loading those bulky desktop managers.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-85115617674568394072013-02-17T22:22:56.728-06:002013-02-17T22:22:56.728-06:00Again - feel free to post any CONTENT you want tha...Again - feel free to post any CONTENT you want that are not links in my comment section. The time I put aside for this website is for writing posts and sometimes responding to comments - not verifying every random link of which dozens get posted everyday.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-28448387393017411762013-02-17T22:22:37.785-06:002013-02-17T22:22:37.785-06:00I was just wondering about Mate....I was just wondering about Mate....djk123https://www.blogger.com/profile/01917354417810653633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-11019989302043084352013-02-17T22:18:24.632-06:002013-02-17T22:18:24.632-06:00Peculiar, Jeff, that you claim you don't have ...Peculiar, Jeff, that you claim you don't have time to "verify" links (which in this case, I'd assume it would be astoundingly simple to verify a link posted by Martin simply by looking at the URL), yet you seem to have plenty of time to write articles and respond to comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-21947900925068250912013-02-17T11:54:08.653-06:002013-02-17T11:54:08.653-06:00I'd like to see Cinnamon desktop (with desktop...I'd like to see Cinnamon desktop (with desktop effects off and on) in this roundup.Carl Draperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177915812566292083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-294009129747930352013-02-17T10:11:45.973-06:002013-02-17T10:11:45.973-06:00I'm a strawman? I said KDE - not Kwin. Nothing...I'm a strawman? I said KDE - not Kwin. Nothing I've said has been targeted at Kwin directly - but KDE (which uses kwin by default sure). I even went so far in this post as to play with some of the "Advanced" settings in Kwin to get better performance out of KDE - so I'm not sure why you are acting like I am attacking your work.<br /><br />I was honest with what versions I used of everything - and I even said I at the end people should try things for themselves and run their own numbers. So please - Team Fortress 2 is a FREE game. Record your own benchmark and post it yourself!<br /><br />Why is running OpenGL based tests "not the right thing for Kwin"? What makes it so different that it is fine to do on EVERY OTHER DESKTOP for a test, but not Kwin?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-13438349685106404462013-02-17T08:24:35.054-06:002013-02-17T08:24:35.054-06:00@Martin, no LXDE is basically a set of tools (task...@Martin, no LXDE is basically a set of tools (taskbar/panel,filemanager,etc..) on top of Openbox. Openbox uses the xcompmgr composter, but not by default. However you probably knew all that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-2695237251571194742013-02-17T07:16:15.543-06:002013-02-17T07:16:15.543-06:00It's very difficult to call XFCE 'Light...It's very difficult to call XFCE 'Light' anymore. I've noticed it getting more and more heavy with each new release.<br /><br />There is a huge performance difference between XFCE 4.0 and 4.10. It's disgusting, Devs have lost their way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-74806649792253229862013-02-17T02:44:13.685-06:002013-02-17T02:44:13.685-06:00There was no gnome shell yesterday when I posted t...There was no gnome shell yesterday when I posted the comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-5306191730906582922013-02-17T02:36:01.110-06:002013-02-17T02:36:01.110-06:00> Why do you have to draw a line between "...> Why do you have to draw a line between "desktop performance" and OpenGL performance? Why can't you have both? <br />Please read the linked blog posts which explain that<br />> E17 and LXDE seem to manage it just fine.<br />So you tested a recent E17 version against our two releases old KWin? Do you consider that as fair? I don't. Does LXDE use OpenGL based compositing by default?Martin Gräßlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632714148588608713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-51893594293311953002013-02-17T02:29:04.300-06:002013-02-17T02:29:04.300-06:00> Have you tried loading KDE4 on a Raspberry Pi...> Have you tried loading KDE4 on a Raspberry Pi or other low power PC? It is a DOG compared to E17 or LXDE.<br /><br />Uh a strawman! Your post here is about game rendering performance, right? And you figured out here in the comments that on KDE Plasma a setting for KWin is relevant for the performance, right?<br /><br />Now people come here and point out that this is not the right thing to do for KWin, right? So you reply by pointing out to Raspberry Pi?<br /><br />What's wrong with that: KWin does not even support compositing on the Pi. So maybe there is no relationship between KDE Plasma being slow on the Pi and the game rendering performance on desktops?<br /><br />And yes I have been using KWin on the Pi without performance problems, but I have only been running it on top of LXDE. I have also seen full Plasma sessions and the try to use Plasma with openbox. The result of that was: KWin does not matter for the performance of Plasma on the Pi.<br /><br />That said: great job by the enlightment team to run great on the pi. But please don't spread FUD about other environments, thank you.Martin Gräßlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632714148588608713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-10048771875828444492013-02-17T01:38:44.402-06:002013-02-17T01:38:44.402-06:00Why do you have to draw a line between "deskt...Why do you have to draw a line between "desktop performance" and OpenGL performance? Why can't you have both? E17 and LXDE seem to manage it just fine.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-11187511216022279152013-02-17T01:36:02.709-06:002013-02-17T01:36:02.709-06:00yeah and KWin is doing the same. It's just (as...yeah and KWin is doing the same. It's just (as explained if you would have taken the time to read) that we do not put our focus in default settings on gaming. Any distribution could do that if they find gaming a more important usecase than normal desktop usage.Martin Gräßlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632714148588608713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-5897077772724465582013-02-17T01:35:44.604-06:002013-02-17T01:35:44.604-06:00Have you tried loading KDE4 on a Raspberry Pi or o...Have you tried loading KDE4 on a Raspberry Pi or other low power PC? It is a DOG compared to E17 or LXDE.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954467314386661328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402984000559601283.post-27070602930369801272013-02-17T01:34:11.644-06:002013-02-17T01:34:11.644-06:00sorry that is a bad joke. You delete important bac...sorry that is a bad joke. You delete important background information by the KWin maintainer? Seriously? Is it related to the fact that the blog post questioned the usefulness of such a test? Is it that it shows the mistakes done in such a test?<br /><br />I would appreciate if you could restore the links. It's important information to your readers and the media is already spreading the FUD about KDE being slow. I don't want to have to put a counterstatement on my blog.Martin Gräßlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632714148588608713noreply@blogger.com